From parksg at mtekvision.com  Thu Dec  9 17:39:59 2004
From: parksg at mtekvision.com (Park Sung Goo)
Date: Thu Dec  9 20:28:57 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] Some Questions about Licensing
Message-ID: <001e01c4de59$2bddd370$4d6924da@userv4iyqkpuqr>

I have become known this email address by surfing RealNetworks homepage.

I will introduce my company to you in brief.
MtekVision, whose headquarter is located in Korea,
is a leading company in the field of camera, multimedia chip solution.
We have been providing Samsung mobile phone maker with our products.
Also, we are planning to provide European mobile phone makers with our
chip solutions.
If you will visit our website(www.mtek.co.kr), you can know my company
more in detail.

I am in charge of video software codec part and IP sourcing.
My company is aiming to load 'Real Video/Audio Codec' onto our
multimedia chip.
By surfing the RealNetworks website, I had known the 'Helix' community
where
many projects are in progress now by the form of 'open source'. 
I tried to find 'Real Video/Audio' source codec, codec specifications
and documents, 
but I could't.

In case of MPEG-4, the specification of video part is ISO/IEC 14496-2.
The spec of MPEG-4 gives me a thorough understanding of the algorithm
about a decoder.
I can't find the counterpart in RealVideo.
I can just get the overview of Real A/V codec.
How can I get the official detail specification of 'Real Codec'?
To acquire the official codec sources, specifications and documents,
what should I do?

If we execute the RCSL ATTG-1.1 license, 
can we get the official codec sources, detailed specifications and
documents?

I will wait for your answer.
Thank your for reading in spite of my poor English language skill.

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From kevinf at real.com  Thu Dec  9 20:56:16 2004
From: kevinf at real.com (Kevin Foreman)
Date: Thu Dec  9 20:56:21 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] Some Questions about Licensing
In-Reply-To: <001e01c4de59$2bddd370$4d6924da@userv4iyqkpuqr>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041209203126.00c2db50@mailone.real.com>

Thank you for your note.

Unlike many components within the Helix Community,  Real does not own all 
of the intellectual property with RealAudio and RealVideo therefore these 
codecs are NOT dual-licensed and are therefore only available in source 
code form under the commercial RCSL (RealNetworks Community Source 
License).  You are correct.  The RCSL has a simply free attachment (G1) 
that allows developers to access the source code and documentation of 
RealAudio and RealVideo for the purposes of porting and/or optimizing 
RealAudio/RealVideo to a currently unsupported environment.

Summary.  Print, Sign and fax Attachment G1.1 to 206-674-2698 and we will 
enable your employees to access the RA/RV restricted source code project.

Kevin
-----------------------------------------------

At 10:39 AM 12/10/2004 +0900, Park Sung Goo wrote:

>I have become known this email address by surfing RealNetworks homepage.
>
>I will introduce my company to you in brief.
>MtekVision, whose headquarter is located in Korea,
>is a leading company in the field of camera, multimedia chip solution.
>We have been providing Samsung mobile phone maker with our products.
>Also, we are planning to provide European mobile phone makers with our 
>chip solutions.
>If you will visit our website(www.mtek.co.kr), you can know my company 
>more in detail.
>
>I am in charge of video software codec part and IP sourcing.
>My company is aiming to load 'Real Video/Audio Codec' onto our multimedia 
>chip.
>By surfing the RealNetworks website, I had known the 'Helix' community where
>many projects are in progress now by the form of 'open source'.
>I tried to find 'Real Video/Audio' source codec, codec specifications and 
>documents,
>but I could't.
>
>In case of MPEG-4, the specification of video part is ISO/IEC 14496-2.
>The spec of MPEG-4 gives me a thorough understanding of the algorithm 
>about a decoder.
>I can't find the counterpart in RealVideo.
>I can just get the overview of Real A/V codec.
>How can I get the official detail specification of 'Real Codec'?
>To acquire the official codec sources, specifications and documents, what 
>should I do?
>
>
>If we execute the RCSL ATTG-1.1 license,
>
>can we get the official codec sources, detailed specifications and documents?
>
>I will wait for your answer.
>Thank your for reading in spite of my poor English language skill.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Open-licensing mailing list
>Open-licensing@helixcommunity.org
>http://lists.helixcommunity.org/mailman/listinfo/open-licensing

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From seporro80 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 13 06:22:08 2004
From: seporro80 at hotmail.com (freijo fraga)
Date: Tue Dec 14 10:27:03 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] MPEG-4 video codec implementation
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I installed yesterday helix player for my symbian phone and i was able to 
send any .rm or mp3 file but when i tried with mp4 it said unrecognize 
format. So i started to look for the helixcommunity forum and i saw a post 
saying the codec is not free, why? is there any format to see mp4 streaming 
files or to get this codec for player??

Thank you very much!

From steffen.ziegler at freecom.com  Tue Dec 14 08:49:48 2004
From: steffen.ziegler at freecom.com (steffen.ziegler@freecom.com)
Date: Tue Dec 14 10:27:04 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] RCSL for Helix DNA Producer SDK 10.0
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I'm working at Freecom and we would like to build an MultiMediaPlayer for 
windows which can encode music file to realaudio and some other formats. 
For creation of realaudio files we want to use the Helix DNA Producer SDK 
10.0 
[https://helixcommunity.org/beula/download?loc=/download.php/326/helixproducersdk_10_windows.zip]. 
So our multimediaplayer setup will include all binary files which are in 
the producer sdk.

My questions are:

- which licenses must we sign? Is it correct that we have to sign the rcsl 
from https://helixcommunity.org/content/rcsl and the f attachment from 
https://helixcommunity.org/content/rcsl-producer-F.pdf? we don't want to 
publish our sourcecode. We don't want to modify or build one of the sdk 
binaries.
- is it correct that we don't have to pay fee's?
- after signing simply fax the papers to 206-674-2698?

Steffen Ziegler
   Freecom Development

From kevinf at real.com  Tue Dec 14 12:23:56 2004
From: kevinf at real.com (Kevin Foreman)
Date: Tue Dec 14 12:24:13 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] RCSL for Helix DNA Producer SDK 10.0
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041214122138.00c38e60@mailone.real.com>

Thank you for your note.  Good news all around.

1) Its a "clickwrap license".  For developers that are building encoding 
products that only use the SDK (and don't therefore need access to the 
source code), we have a "Clickwrap license" for you right here: 
http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/producersdk/index.html.

2) Its Free.

Kevin
---------------

At 05:49 PM 12/14/2004 +0100, steffen.ziegler@freecom.com wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'm working at Freecom and we would like to build an MultiMediaPlayer for
>windows which can encode music file to realaudio and some other formats.
>For creation of realaudio files we want to use the Helix DNA Producer SDK
>10.0
>[https://helixcommunity.org/beula/download?loc=/download.php/326/helixproducersdk_10_windows.zip]. 
>
>So our multimediaplayer setup will include all binary files which are in
>the producer sdk.
>
>My questions are:
>
>- which licenses must we sign? Is it correct that we have to sign the rcsl
>from https://helixcommunity.org/content/rcsl and the f attachment from
>https://helixcommunity.org/content/rcsl-producer-F.pdf? we don't want to
>publish our sourcecode. We don't want to modify or build one of the sdk
>binaries.
>- is it correct that we don't have to pay fee's?
>- after signing simply fax the papers to 206-674-2698?
>
>Steffen Ziegler
>    Freecom Development
>
>_______________________________________________
>Open-licensing mailing list
>Open-licensing@helixcommunity.org
>http://lists.helixcommunity.org/mailman/listinfo/open-licensing

---------------------------------
Kevin Foreman
General Manager, Helix
RealNetworks, Inc.
E-mail: kevinf@real.com
http://www.helixcommunity.org

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From alessandro.maurizzi at datamat.it  Thu Dec 16 07:27:55 2004
From: alessandro.maurizzi at datamat.it (Alessandro Maurizzi)
Date: Fri Dec 17 12:24:39 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] Attachment D-1.1 of RCSL license
Message-ID: <002101c4e383$d23f20f0$1201120a@maurizzi>

Hi,

I'm planning to integrate the Helix DNA Client into an application which
verifies the streaming functionality of a server.
My application must:
- be controlled remotely, from another PC;
- save the streaming statistics to a file;
- transfer the produced files to the user on a remote PC, where they can be
shown.

The Attachment D-1.1 of RCSL license specifies that a Windows-Based PC must
show the Helix Logo during streaming or playback.
My application will run on a Windows-Based PC, but it will not show to the
user any Graphic Interface, because it must be a Windows service whithout
desktop interaction. So it is not possible to show the Helix Logo during the
streaming session. Moreover, as the application has to be remotely
ontrolled, no user would be present to see a Logo during the streaming. Only
the files produced by my application will be shown to the user.

My application would be compliant with the Attachment D of RCSL license if
it writes "Streaming with Helix DNA" in each produced file?

Thanks,
Alessandro Maurizzi

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From kevinf at real.com  Mon Dec 20 08:43:44 2004
From: kevinf at real.com (Kevin Foreman)
Date: Mon Dec 20 08:44:16 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] Attachment D-1.1 of RCSL license
In-Reply-To: <002101c4e383$d23f20f0$1201120a@maurizzi>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041220084224.02af4600@mailone.real.com>

Yes.  Thank you.

Kevin
----------------

At 04:27 PM 12/16/2004 +0100, Alessandro Maurizzi wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm planning to integrate the Helix DNA Client into an application which
>verifies the streaming functionality of a server.
>My application must:
>- be controlled remotely, from another PC;
>- save the streaming statistics to a file;
>- transfer the produced files to the user on a remote PC, where they can be
>shown.
>
>The Attachment D-1.1 of RCSL license specifies that a Windows-Based PC must
>show the Helix Logo during streaming or playback.
>My application will run on a Windows-Based PC, but it will not show to the
>user any Graphic Interface, because it must be a Windows service whithout
>desktop interaction. So it is not possible to show the Helix Logo during the
>streaming session. Moreover, as the application has to be remotely
>ontrolled, no user would be present to see a Logo during the streaming. Only
>the files produced by my application will be shown to the user.
>
>My application would be compliant with the Attachment D of RCSL license if
>it writes "Streaming with Helix DNA" in each produced file?
>
>Thanks,
>Alessandro Maurizzi
>
>
>
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From peter.boot at webfone.com.au  Mon Dec 20 22:54:25 2004
From: peter.boot at webfone.com.au (Peter Boot)
Date: Mon Dec 20 22:55:36 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] Advanced Server Pricing
Message-ID: <200412210655.iBL6tOEa029059@wisma.pacific.net.au>

I understand there is a $500 per CPU fee for the commercial use licence of
Helix DNA server as discussed in this thread 
http://lists.helixcommunity.org/pipermail/open-licensing/2004-August/000304.
html

What are the royalty fees for the "Advanced Server" ? Is this the only way
to be able to serve Windows Media streams ? Other than Helix Universal
Server ?

Thanks

Peter

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From kevinf at real.com  Tue Dec 21 10:20:23 2004
From: kevinf at real.com (Kevin Foreman)
Date: Tue Dec 21 10:20:55 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] Advanced Server Pricing
In-Reply-To: <200412210655.iBL6tOEa029059@wisma.pacific.net.au>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041221095348.00bf8e70@mailone.real.com>

Peter, you have a couple choice, depending on what you are trying to 
accomplish;

1) Not developing a product.  If you are NOT trying to build a 
Audio/Video-based product (the primary audience of the Helix Community), 
but instead trying to run a website or service, you should strongly 
consider the Helix DNA powered commercial product from RealNetworks, called 
the "Helix Universal Server'.  The Helix Universal Server is build for 
organizations that want to stream every major media format (including 
RealAudio, RealVideo, Windows Media Audio, Windows Media Video, MP3, 
MPEG-4, Flash, etc) from a single platform.  I've cc'd Tom Freed who runs 
our Australian operations, so you can contact him directly for 
pricing.  Also 
here 
is a good comparison chart to see the functionality that Real adds to the 
Helix Universal Server.

2) Developing a product.  If you are developing an Audio and/or Video-based 
product, we want you to build it on Helix DNA. You have two choices:

a) Use the Helix DNA Server with RA/RV code and build your own Windows 
Media implementation on top of it.   $500/CPU for Helix DNA with RA/RV and 
whatever Microsoft charges you for WM licensing.

b) License the advanced networking functionality of the "advanced Server" 
for $14,000/CPU.  The advanced networking functionality provides you as a 
product developer with universal format support (e.g., WM, QT, MPEG-4), 
intelligent on-demand content distribution,end-to-end system redundancy 
(encoder/server/player), live file archiving, simulated-live broadcast of 
on-demand files, ad serving support, universal media cache, and proxy 
bandwidth caps & content control.  The difference between 2b and 1 above is 
that 1 is a commercial product from Real, which includes telephone support, 
manuals, guarantees, pre sales consulting, etc, whereas 2b is enabling 
technology for C++ developers looking to build media delivery based 
products, where it is assumed that you will provide all the tech support, 
etc to your users.

Hope this info helps,

Kevin
------------

At 05:54 PM 12/21/2004 +1100, Peter Boot wrote:
>I understand there is a $500 per CPU fee for the commercial use licence of
>Helix DNA server as discussed in this thread
>http://lists.helixcommunity.org/pipermail/open-licensing/2004-August/000304.
>html
>
>What are the royalty fees for the "Advanced Server" ? Is this the only way
>to be able to serve Windows Media streams ? Other than Helix Universal
>Server ?
>
>Thanks
>
>Peter
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General Manager, Helix
RealNetworks, Inc.
E-mail: kevinf@real.com
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From emerson at quatrobe.com  Tue Dec 21 05:55:08 2004
From: emerson at quatrobe.com (Emerson)
Date: Tue Dec 21 14:04:18 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] public list?
Message-ID: <1103637308.8267.54.camel@mx.quatrobe.com>

Is this email going to be sent to a public list?
If so, is there any reserved email address for questions related to
licensing?

Emerson

From kevinf at real.com  Tue Dec 21 14:26:00 2004
From: kevinf at real.com (Kevin Foreman)
Date: Tue Dec 21 14:26:13 2004
Subject: [Open-licensing] public list?
In-Reply-To: <1103637308.8267.54.camel@mx.quatrobe.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041221142323.02be7ea8@mailone.real.com>

Yes, this is a public list, since the Helix Community is both a commercial 
community and an open source community.

However, we do have several webpages for you to read, that are meant to be 
frcition-free

https://helixcommunity.org/content/licenses

Kevin
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At 11:55 AM 12/21/2004 -0200, Emerson wrote:
>Is this email going to be sent to a public list?
>If so, is there any reserved email address for questions related to
>licensing?
>
>Emerson
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Open-licensing mailing list
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>http://lists.helixcommunity.org/mailman/listinfo/open-licensing

---------------------------------
Kevin Foreman
General Manager, Helix
RealNetworks, Inc.
E-mail: kevinf@real.com
http://www.helixcommunity.org

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From Nataraja.HK at lntinfotech.com  Wed Dec 29 01:28:30 2004
From: Nataraja.HK at lntinfotech.com (Nataraja.HK@lntinfotech.com)
Date: Mon Jan  3 11:31:55 2005
Subject: [Open-licensing] Query on licensing real codecs.
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have a query please answer this.

1. If we want to implement the real audio, real video codec (codecs alone),
which licence we have to execute?
    Is implementation one of Client, Sever, or Producer is compulsory for
implementing the codec?

2. From where the source code of codecs can be obtained?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Nataraja H. K.
Communications & Embedded Systems
Larsen and Toubro Infotech Limited,
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